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I agree with you that extreme budgeting can result in an unhealthy money psychology.

FiRE is broad tent, and it seems most of your criticism is specific to a limited swath, "fast lean FIRE" (I added fast as a contrast to slow but "lean FIRE" is a common term).

"Slow FIRE" or "slow fat FIRE" doesn't have the same budget fixation. In fact, check out Paula Pant's concept of the "anti-budget" (allocation of savings/investing off the top and don't budget the rest). I'd argue that fat, or for some people, even normal (non-lean) FIRE expressly allows not focusing on budget more than lack of FI, both vefore and after achieving FI, since it breaks the connection between a paycheck and living expenses, allowing for a reduction in focus on money. If you listen to people who have achieved FI, many say that they hardly think about money after having achieved FI.

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I appreciate Jen's call out of idolizing one thing (debt payoff) to another (FI)*. My 2 cents:

I believe the default idol is consumerism. The constant ads, month-long Black Friday sales, and conspicuous consumption. With social media, Keeping Up With the Joneses seemingly feels like Keeping Up With Everyone.

Optimistically I think of financial independence as a counteracting force against the rat race: trying to keep up with the Joneses -> unchecked spending -> trapped in a debt cycle -> less independence and agency.

To that end, I think of FIRE as a far better idol to worship than consumerism. But any form of idolatry and worship, as you've called out, comes with tradeoffs.

* “And I see a lot of people [saving for FIRE] just to have another idol to worship.”

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